Comments on: Alternative Facts: Domitian’s Persecution of Christians https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/domitian-persecution-of-christians/ Mon, 21 Apr 2025 14:30:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.1 By: Eric Roessing https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/domitian-persecution-of-christians/comment-page-4/#comment-2000473478 Tue, 08 Apr 2025 20:59:41 +0000 https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/?p=48189#comment-2000473478 In reply to Andrew Roth.

Please read Thomas S. Kepler, The book of Revelation: a commentary for laymen (New York: Oxford University Press) I know of no other commentary that knows the historical period and takes the historical situation in which John wrote and interprets Rev in light of that, as well as using other scripture to do so.

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By: Andrew Roth https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/domitian-persecution-of-christians/comment-page-4/#comment-2000268110 Thu, 20 Apr 2023 15:13:50 +0000 https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/?p=48189#comment-2000268110 In Aramaic Christian tradition, as opposed to the Latin Rite, Nero is considered the persecutor of John the Apostle. Although Revelation as a book is not canonized in the Assyrian Church of the East, it is in the Syrian Orthodox Church and Chaldean Catholic Church. Since 616 CE, when Thomas of Harkel did his revision to the Aramaic Peshitta New Testament text, Revelation has been part of the canon in these churches. The scribes who wrote those manuscripts also left behind notes of various traditions in their churches.

In the late 19th century Irish scholar John Gwynn wrote about a manuscript that he believed was the lost earlier Philoxenian Revision of 508. It is now called the Crawford Codex. Dated to the 12th century, Gwynn believed the text actually went back to the early 6th century and this Crawford Codex is today the only Aramaic manuscript containing all 27 NT books under a single cover. One of these books is known as Crawford Revelation, and its text is markedly different from the other Peshitta Revelation as well as the Greek version. Written in red ink is the following Aramaic declaration:

“Again we have recorded the Revelation concerning the Set-apart Yochanan the Evangelist while on the island of Patmos, which he was sent to by him who was Nero Caesar.”

There are a number of reasons why Nero is a better candidate as Yochanan’s persecutor. For one thing, his name adds up to 666 in Hebrew. For another, Like John 5:2, the Temple is described as still standing in Jerusalem in Revelation 11. These and other factors put Yochanan’s text before the Second Temple’s destruction in 70 CE.

I think as time goes on, the Domitian theory will become less of a default and more of a minority view.

Andrew Gabriel Roth
Author and Translator of the Aramaic English New Testament (AENT)
www. onefaithonepeopleministries .com

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By: Joel Pearson https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/domitian-persecution-of-christians/comment-page-4/#comment-2000210404 Mon, 19 Dec 2022 11:42:12 +0000 https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/?p=48189#comment-2000210404 I’m curious about the reasoning behind this line:
“No pagan writer of the time ever accused Domitian, as they had Nero, of persecuting Christians.”

This appears to be referring to the single mention by Tacitus? I think there are solid arguments that this is a Christian alteration of a passage about Chrestians, as argued in this 2014 paper:
https://brill.com/view/journals/vc/68/3/article-p264_2.xml?language=en

To summarise my perception of the important points:

– The passage is in the wrong place to fit the chronology of Jesus.
– Tacitus said it was a name, which matches Chrestus but not Jesus.
– We know Christians forged passages in contemporary texts, with one obvious example being the Testimonium Flavianum.
– We know Christians weren’t associated with the fire of Rome, because there’s no way Pliny the Younger wouldn’t have heard of that.
– Suetonius attests to a rebel Chrestus in Rome in this period.
– Suetonius separately attests to Christians and makes no connection to the fire.
– Acts has no knowledge of the fire being related to Christianity.
– We have direct manuscript evidence that an earlier passage was about Chrestians, not Christians.
– Tacitus was a snob about spelling and grammar, so claims of other misspellings of Christians as “Chrestians” don’t apply to his own words.
– We know that Chrestus was a common slave name at the time.
– Tacitus uses the past tense: meaning the group he was referring to didn’t exist in his own time. This matches Chrestians but does not match Christians.
– Tacitus mentions “a huge multitude”, which doesnt match Christians at that time, but would match the entire Jewish population of Rome.
– The phrase “not so much for the crime of burning the city as because of the hatred of mankind” doesn’t match Christian doctrine, but could match a violent rebel group with a history of crimes.
– Most importantly: there is no evidence that Christians were connected to the fire until hundreds of years later. The earliest link between Christians and the fire comes from the 4th century Christian forgery of letters between Paul and Seneca. This might even be the inspiration for the Christian interpolation in Tacitus.

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By: Pete https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/domitian-persecution-of-christians/comment-page-4/#comment-2000187696 Wed, 14 Sep 2022 05:26:10 +0000 https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/?p=48189#comment-2000187696 It appears to me, that the primary reason for making out that Domitian was a significant persecutor of Jews/Christians is to validate the idea that Revelation was written after the destruction of Jerusalem so that other interpretations can be applied. But then people who believe this, want to argue that the persecution has not been fulfilled yet. Hmmm.
I am a relaxed preterist that acknowledges that history repeats itself, and I still think there is a simpler and more obvious interpretation, even if it doesn’t generate the same hype.

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By: Patrick Tilton https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/domitian-persecution-of-christians/comment-page-4/#comment-2000164193 Sun, 08 May 2022 06:25:20 +0000 https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/?p=48189#comment-2000164193 The Flavian emperors were responsible for the creation of Christianity. Read Joseph Atwill’s CAESAR’S MESSIAH for the skinny on this.

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By: Emily https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/domitian-persecution-of-christians/comment-page-4/#comment-2000163932 Sat, 07 May 2022 03:08:01 +0000 https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/?p=48189#comment-2000163932 Hello,

Glad you are here 😊

The Apostles were all Jews. They went to the temple at the appointed times that God commanded in His Word. They did not change that. Jesus kept these times as well. You are right, they followed Jesus.

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By: Emily https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/domitian-persecution-of-christians/comment-page-3/#comment-2000163928 Sat, 07 May 2022 02:57:23 +0000 https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/?p=48189#comment-2000163928 So being referred to as ‘Divine’ is not implying godhood?? Really?? Banishing John and others believers to Patmos isn’t reeealy persecution now. How ridiculous. This guy is all over the place and clearly has lost credibility by virtue of his softness of what IS persecution. This is what little he chose to include in this piece of work. Have you ever looked at the Ten Commandments and seen your heart, according to what Jesus Himself said and seen where you are really at and where you are heading?

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By: Kyle Pope https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/domitian-persecution-of-christians/comment-page-3/#comment-2000163826 Fri, 06 May 2022 16:04:09 +0000 https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/?p=48189#comment-2000163826 Simply because the record of preserved history doesn’t fit our expectations (or preconceived ideas) of what “persecution” looks like does not justify dismissing the claims of those much closer to the events than we are. Why would Tertullian compare him to Nero in cruelty if this cruelty did not affect Christians? It is presumptuous to accuse Eusebius (who had far more access to the records of Roman history than we do) of having “spun” his own alternative picture of events. If the claim is that it was not an empire-wide persecution, fair enough. If the claim is there was no persecution, that takes it too far. The evidence clearly proves there was a persecution of Christians that was broader than that of Nero.

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By: Mike https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/domitian-persecution-of-christians/comment-page-3/#comment-2000163546 Thu, 05 May 2022 17:04:07 +0000 https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/?p=48189#comment-2000163546 “The Second Persecution, Under Domitian, A.D. 81
Bible / Our Library / History / Fox’s Book of Martyrs / The Second Persecution, Under Domitian, A.D. 81

The First Persecution, Under Nero, A.D. 67 The Third Persecution, Under Trajan, A.D. 108
The Second Persecution, Under Domitian, A.D. 81
The emperor Domitian, who was naturally inclined to cruelty, first slew his brother, and then raised the second persecution against the Christians. In his rage he put to death some of the Roman senators, some through malice; and others to confiscate their estates. He then commanded all the lineage of David be put to death.
Among the numerous martyrs that suffered during this persecution was Simeon, bishop of Jerusalem, who was crucified; and St. John, who was boiled in oil, and afterward banished to Patmos. Flavia, the daughter of a Roman senator, was likewise banished to Pontus; and a law was made, “That no Christian, once brought before the tribunal, should be exempted from punishment without renouncing his religion.”
A variety of fabricated tales were, during this reign, composed in order to injure the Christians. Such was the infatuation of the pagans, that, if famine, pestilence, or earthquakes afflicted any of the Roman provinces, it was laid upon the Christians. These persecutions among the Christians increased the number of informers and many, for the sake of gain, swore away the lives of the innocent.
Another hardship was, that, when any Christians were brought before the magistrates, a test oath was proposed, when, if they refused to take it, death was pronounced against them; and if they confessed themselves Christians, the sentence was the same.
The following were the most remarkable among the numerous martyrs who suffered during this persecution.
Dionysius, the Areopagite, was an Athenian by birth, and educated in all the useful and ornamental literature of Greece. He then travelled to Egypt to study astronomy, and made very particular observations on the great and supernatural eclipse, which happened at the time of our Savior’s crucifixion.
The sanctity of his conversation and the purity of his manners recommended him so strongly to the Christians in general, that he was appointed bishop of Athens.
Nicodemus, a benevolent Christian of some distinction, suffered at Rome during the rage of Domitian’s persecution.
Protasius and Gervasius were martyred at Milan.
Timothy was the celebrated disciple of St. Paul, and bishop of Ephesus, where he zealously governed the Church until A.D. 97. At this period, as the pagans were about to celebrate a feast called Catagogion, Timothy, meeting the procession, severely reproved them for their ridiculous idolatry, which so exasperated the people that they fell upon him with their clubs, and beat him in so dreadful a manner that he expired of the bruises two days later.”

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By: William R. Mayor https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/domitian-persecution-of-christians/comment-page-2/#comment-2000163370 Wed, 04 May 2022 20:39:29 +0000 https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/?p=48189#comment-2000163370 In reply to Steve P Cline.

A careful reading of Revelation along with knowledge of the ancient Roman world would actually suggest that the work, as it exists today, was written by at least three authors writing at different times. The first edition might well have been written as early as the 30’s CE, with a second edition in the late 60’s or early 70’s and the final version being written in the 90’s. The second and third editions merely reworked the previous editions but could not totally eliminate portions that were already knows, just modify them slightly in an attempt to make a coherent whole.

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